daemon-AS form pairings

[rave & phair]

Posted by Celestine and Arzairrah in the LJ Daemon Community:

Seeing the last post on alternate selves reminded me of a question I've been thinking on for a few days. It's hard to explain but I'll try. It has to do with "pairings" of people and daemons and Lyra's world.
I'll use Okibi as an example (hope you don't mind, Okibi ^_^;. Her daemon is a black coyote. Her alternate self in Oxford is a black fox. Does this mean, then, that black fox and black coyote always go together? My boyfriend's daemon has settled as a black fox. Does this mean that his alternate self is a black coyote?
I began thinking about this because Adam's daemon's personality is very coyote-like, and if you think about it it does make sense. Your daemon's personality is designed to perfectly work with yours, so perfectly that no other daemon in the world could be your companion half as well. Your daemon is the only daemon in the world who fits you. So if Okibi's personality is black coyote, and her daemon's personality is black fox, doesn't this mean that black fox and black coyote fit perfectly and are therefore always together?
It's an intriqing thought. Adam does not know his daemon and alternate self in Lyra's world but he said he wouldn't be surprised at all if his alternate self is a black coyote. If this theory is correct, it would mean there are other "pairings" like black fox/black coyote that always occur. Katie, you said that your alternate self is a blue/sapphire dragon. So would that mean that someone in our world with a blue/saphire dragon daemon would have an alternate self of a white wolf daemon that looks exactly like Har Gerriden?
I think it makes sense but I'm throwing it out for discussion here. ^_^ Does anyone have any thoughts/opinions/evidence to prove or disprove my theory?

[brooke]

That is interestin, but I think that for it to be accurate,things have to be perfectly general and unspecific. For instance, just because two people have fox daimons doesn't mean that they'll be EXACTLTY the same due to other componets. And then, because of the diffrent personalities of these diffrent people, I think it's safe to assume that the daimon pairing would be diffrent.

My pairing is a maned wolf/arctic fox or snow leopard. I can't tell. I really think arctic fox though.

[~*Zephyr and Loki*~]

Interesting. Why can't I think of these things? ;__;
Loki's a Cape fox and my alternate self's a silver-morphed red fox. Not sure if they'd go together but...
Hey, isn't it weird how the pairings are black coyote/black fox, maned wolf/arctic fox, and Cape fox/silver red fox? Maybe instead of that form going with that form it's be more like canines with canines or something. Wouldn't that make more sense and be less constricting?

[brooke]

I think the forms have to be kind of related.

[The Madcat]

I don't think they do. My dæmon/AS are a collie/sand cat pairing, respectively. So unless Pock actually does settle as a lion, which I doubt ... ::shrug::

I'm not sure if I believe in this theory. I'm gonna assume Pocket will settle as a Border collie. My dad also has a Border collie dæmon, and I'm pretty sure my AS knows his. If I'm right, then her dæmon is a snowy owl, which is nothing like a sand cat. But then again, it could be the little differences in our dæmon's forms that make my personality different from my dad's; eg, Pock is a blue merle with a half-white face, and male, where Dad's dæmon is female, and would most likely be black with 'proper' markings.

So the theory could be true ... I just don't really believe in it.

[okibi]

Here's what my reply was:

'Even if someone else had a black coyote dæmon, I doubt they'd be my exact twin. The coyote would fit us for different reasons, even if some traits matched up perfectly. (Like Winger pointed out - we definitely have traits unique to us, nor would I say Killy's like Rookie. Heck, a lot of dæmons I know tend to act like Rookie, but they're all different animals.) Two people with fox dæmons can be very different on the outside as well. Similarly, the fox dæmons themselves that I know are all noticeably different personality-wise, and thus wouldn't have the same AS. People and their dæmons aren't black-and-white like that.'

Plus I need to take back that statement that the dæmon and AS are similar animals. They aren't in every case. I can think of a raven/feline pair, mink/dragon, dog/feline... It really depends on how much your dæmon's personality is like your own. For some of us there are few huge differences, but for others....

[Winger]

Yeah - coyote/ferret? They're not even both canine, let alone similar in size and shape. I just don't think it's possible to say that it would always be the opposite. Personalities and such are a lot more complicated than people think; and have any levels and layers to them. You can't make a general prediction on this kind of thing.

[Spiral Sun]

I agree with Cat, Okibi and Winger. Nice theory though! I wish it was that simple ^.^ But as Winger said personalities are quite layered and complex. I've noticed it when writing analyses- and that's why I'm even more particular on not doing simple general analyses since there's a lot more room for error and variation.

I don't know my alternate self, but I'm quite sure that it's a very different form to Pheo's. Our personalities are quite different so I'm pretty sure that my AS's daemon is a completely different species.
Mind you this is an interesting little theory which may apply to some people. I hope we get more of these theories in future.

[okibi]

Another thought: Maybe that theory would work, except no one's taken into consideration that the AS's are individuals, too. At a glance, Tobias wasn't what I'd expect from a human Rookie. He's more solitary, more serious... but I'm sure his circumstances have made him this way. Toby hasn't lived on easy street, ya know? It's a very different thing to have a dæmon living in your mind, with the sole purpose of being there for you, then throwing that persona into a life of its own, where it grows up as a corporeal creature and has to deal with the world directly. There's no way the two can be exactly the same. And because o' this many different AS dæmons emerge. ^^

[Winger]

*Nods* My point exactly! I think I mentioned something like that on the LJ thing.